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So, as I'm sure I've said, or at least implied, before, I am a cisgendered female.

That means that I was born into a female body, with XX chromosomes and a vagina, and I am perfectly happy like that --I've never had body dysphoria1 relating to my gender.

BUT! I also tend to take an extremely casual approach to gender. I list myself as genderneutral, when given the option, and I while I note gendered behaviour --when I "feel like a girl" or "feel like a boy", my default state is not usually one of those. I am plenty female, and happy about thus, and I am also as good a gentleman as I can manage, chivalry and stammering at a nice pair of legs included.

So like I mentioned, occasionally I "feel like a boy". I don't particularly know how to describe what makes this different from just feeling like a human being, though it often involves very physically --not necessarily mentally-- attractive ladies. A case in point just occurred in my teaching class. We were assigned to small groups. A girl I don't know particularly well recited the alphabet backwards, which would have been enough to earn her a kiss on the cheek had we been in a casual setting. Whilst she was doing this, I stared at her in a pleased manner, and tried very hard not to notice her breasts.

Later on, in talking, she started stretching. There was no conscious flirtation to the gesture, indeed, we hadn't exchanged more than a dozen words much of ever, and being a college student who is not specifically my friend, she's naturally less likely for me to flirt with. So she was stretching, directly across from me, and I found a good chunk of my attention focused on the curve of her breasts and her hair and her eyes and her profile and the way her arms moved, and the length of her torso, and her ass, and holyshit, I'm shocked I didn't earn an offended look for staring. She was just Lovely, and certainly matched Sorcy Female Attractiveness Trope #12

Watching her, in class, while I pretended to focus on the class itself and not watching her, made me feel completely like a boy. Like a typical high school shy geek-boy, to be exact. Here was this simply beautiful, utterly out of my league girl, and she was just in front of me, and smiling, and had I the ability, I probably would've gone distressingly firm. She invoked in me the feelings associated with that subculture of male, the slight awkwardness, the tendency to stammer.

As it is, I have little interest in actually pursuing her. She's nice enough, from my extraordinarily limited interactions, but she is utterly mainstream, and I just have nothing I could say to her. I'll happily watch a pretty face for as long as it'll let me, but I'm not going to pursue someone I have nothing in common with, not even just to kiss on the side. It's not my way --so much of attraction is tied up in the mental, and with her, it's just not there.

Interestingly enough, I think that flirting with women who are clearly geeks invokes more of a female response in me. I don't know if this is part of the "all geek girls are bisexual" stereotype or what, but I think it certainly ties into the perceived sexuality of the woman in question --I inevitably flirt with pretty and straight girls like I were male. When given a pretty and bi/omni/awesome-sexual girl to flirt with, I don't necessarily have to be male, so I can flirt with her as my own mixed up genderneutral self --both as a male and a female. Should I flirt with a hardcore lesbian, I sense I would do so in such a way that utilized primarily my female bits.

This alone is interesting because it ties into the ways I automatically try to please people. Of a similar study to when I behave male or female3 is what makes me act particularly dominant or submissive --and it's often a reflection of the company I'm in. When in situations where someone else is clearly alpha, I am more than happy to back down, and give them the ability to make decisions. When there is no set alpha, or when no one else is stepping up to take charge, or if I sense that no one else feels comfortable taking charge, I will step in. And you thought I'd talk about dom/sub in a sexual context there, didn't you?

So yes. I feel like a boy. More interestingly, I feel like a boy who is younger than my current age, which really almost never happens --about the only things that consistently make me feel like a teenager are putting me into extremely formal clothes, and making out in cars. So, that being said, I'm going to walk home, and figure out exactly what it is high school boys do, after staring greedily at the lady of their dreams for half a class period.

~Sor
MOOP!

1: I've actually been blessed with having very little body dysphoria in general. I am a good shape and size and being. I still want red hair and freckles, though.

2: Dark or brunette hair (though hers had a gorgeous auburn tint) with a slight wave down to about midback, BANGS HOLYSHIT BANGS, pretty eyes, a good smile, and curves. I actually prefer my women slightly meatier than she was, but even as an incredibly slim little thing, she had nice curves.

3: And it's very worth noting that I'm not sure there is a significantly noticeable difference in actions between how I am behaving when I feel like a girl and when I feel like a boy. It is all mental, and while some of that may come out in accent and countenance, not all of it does. Someone watch me the next time I flirt with Herbert4, and tell me whether they can see a difference from how I flirt with straight men.

4: Chosen because she is far and away the straight girl I flirt with the most, and in ways some would potentially consider serious. I have no interest in having a proper relationship with her, not when we have such a lovely friendship, but I also want to court her as properly and as in gentlemanly a fashion as I possibly can.

on 2009-10-30 06:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] herbertinc.livejournal.com
Awww *^_^* I really do enjoy being courted so chivalrously, I must say. It's a nice contrast from [livejournal.com profile] tirerim. :-P

You have yet to bring me flowers, though... ^_~

While being both very female and very straight, I do have this thing for pretty people, male or female, that is always really distracting. Male-example: there was this boy in the Co-op the other day, a little stocky, with long wavy brown hair, and a gorgeous smile, who I just couldn't take my eyes off of, and made me spend far longer in the store than I had planned. Female-example: in my ballet class, there's this girl who obviously should be in an upper level section, who's just gorgeously elegant. She's she's tall and slim and Asian, without being stick-like, with perfect posture and just so inordinately graceful. With an angelic smile and with a penchant for wearing very short exercise shorts and very stylish tights that show off her legs to perfection. [livejournal.com profile] tirerim teases me about having a crush on her.

I think while I am only sexually/romantically attracted to males, I still find more women physically attractive than men. I don't know if this is because women are just inherently of a more pleasing shape, or, since I'm not evaluating them in a sexual/romantic context, I have lower standards.

Love,
Herbert.

Love,
Herbert.

on 2009-10-30 07:04 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com
Amen, sister/brother!

on 2009-10-30 08:53 pm (UTC)
blaisepascal: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] blaisepascal
I wonder what orthogendered, metagendered, paragendered, etc, would be?

BTW, I can recite the alphabet backwards. In fact, after I read this, I confirmed that I could even recite the alphabet inside-out (MNLO...BYAZ)

on 2009-10-30 09:14 pm (UTC)
tricia868: (happy / skipping / singing (hachi))
Posted by [personal profile] tricia868
...Now I want to recite the alphabet inside out, mostly because I have never attempted it before. Rearranging things in interesting ways is always fun. Particularly if those ways are math/pattern oriented, however basic the pattern.

on 2009-10-30 09:39 pm (UTC)
blaisepascal: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] blaisepascal
It occurs to me that there are 26 letters in the alphabet, which is only divisible by 2 and 13. If one were to state every 3rd (or 5th, etc, except evens and 13th) letter, wrapping at Z, it would a math/pattern oriented order.

3: CFILORUXADGJMPSVYBEHKNQTWZ
5: EJOTYDINSXCHMRWBGLQVAFKPUZ
etc.

on 2009-10-30 09:58 pm (UTC)
tricia868: (hat!)
Posted by [personal profile] tricia868
...

That made my evening.

♥!

on 2009-10-30 09:18 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] thorog.livejournal.com
Similar to being cis-gendered, but they prefer different positions.

on 2009-10-30 09:19 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] thorog.livejournal.com
#!/usr/bin/env ruby

('a'..'z').sort.reverse

#I can say the alphabet backwards too!

on 2009-10-31 03:56 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] gyrik-22.livejournal.com
*gigglesnort*

on 2009-10-31 07:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tirerim.livejournal.com
% perl -e "print reverse a..z;"

;-)

more gender concepts

on 2009-10-30 09:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] woozle.livejournal.com
I think I must be socially somewhere in between male and female, because I'm not drawn to the rituals and customs for either one, and I seem to have some fairly specific ideas about how I would behave courtship-wise (for lack of a better term) if I were in the right body.

By "socially", I'm not including attraction; I'm definitely not attracted to males (though again, I wonder how much of this is socialization).

These ideas, however specific they may be, can be damnably difficult to nail down in some ways; it's a bit like trying to write a really good song. Sometimes I come across girls who have just the right body language, and a place in my head goes "Yes! *That's* it!", but I'm not sure I could explain what "it" is.1 In earlier times, I would have decided I had a crush; if I liked them personally as well, I would think I was in love. Now, I'm not sure I really do either of those things -- it's both a tremendous relief and a little sad, because I feel in some ways like a more selfish person.2

</ramble>

P.S. Readheaded with freckles is cute; I will practice overlaying that on my mental image of you3. It should be noted, however, fwiw, that brunette without freckles is also quite cute and one to which I have a history of attraction.

1. Most recent example: the love-interest in Requiem for a Dream was quite near the right spot, and hit it exactly once or twice.

2. This is probably an unreasonable assessment, as {the fact that I no longer find myself depending on others to be my gender for me, and therefore constantly trying to nudge them back towards "it" when they move in the wrong direction} means that I can be much less demanding in a relationship than I was previously.

3. I often think that people who are in any way dissatisfied with their appearance, or who might occasionally wish for a different one, should make a point of describing how they think they should look... and then I could bring up that image whenever communicating with them, instead of what they actually look like. I think this could be a positive thing, despite the "escapism" aspect to it... or at least a useful experiment.

on 2009-10-30 09:48 pm (UTC)
blaisepascal: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] blaisepascal
You should keep aware that red-headed with freckles, while cute, does have some drawbacks (speaking as a befreckled red-headed cismale): Along with red hair and freckles comes fair skin -- and with that comes sun sensitivity. It's not fun being outside and thinking "What's that burning sensation I'm feeling in my arms? Oh, the sun came out from behind a cloud...".

Also red-headed freckled women have a reputation for being "feisty" and quick to anger. Even if you aren't, you might have to deal with the stereotype.

While I've come to accept gracefully the complements I get on my hair, I'm still stumped by the question "where did you get your hair".

on 2009-10-31 03:59 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] gyrik-22.livejournal.com
"So yes. I feel like a boy. More interestingly, I feel like a boy who is younger than my current age, which really almost never happens --about the only things that consistently make me feel like a teenager are putting me into extremely formal clothes, and making out in cars. So, that being said, I'm going to walk home, and figure out exactly what it is high school boys do, after staring greedily at the lady of their dreams for half a class period."

Usually create elaborate fantasies where you as the ever chivalrous knight attract her attention via some heroic deed, which results in her falling madly in love (read: sex!) with you. I could be wrong though, my love life was rather interestingly warped in high school.

on 2009-10-31 05:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] macaroniandtuna.livejournal.com
Why so quick to dismiss someone you've barely conversed with as "utterly mainstream" (=boring, as I'm interpreting it)?

on 2009-10-31 06:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
The first warning sign was that she learned how to do the alphabet backwards in order to get past drunk driving tests, not just because she felt like it.

Which I mean, yay boozahol, but you don't drink and drive. It is a bad.

*shrugs* And at least part of it is probably that, keeping her a fantasy, she can be exactly what I need in the back of my mind. Is this dehumanizing? Probably. Do I feel guilty about that? Solong as I keep my thoughts of her in fantasy, not in the slightest.

Also, because in case you've missed it, I have eight trillion people who are all like "oh hai, attention to me?" and I just don't have the time. Yeah.

~Sor

on 2009-10-31 07:45 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tirerim.livejournal.com
So, that being said, I'm going to walk home, and figure out exactly what it is high school boys do, after staring greedily at the lady of their dreams for half a class period.

<snrk>. Hope you enjoyed yourself. ;-)

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